I have a lot of respect for Rand Fishkin as a marketer. He is also a polite guy, usually quite open-minded about things, and he works hard to help the SEO and Web Marketing communities forward. But today’s WhiteBoard Friday was just absolutely awful (and I said as much in a comment on SEOmoz which I am sure will earn me a few more Thumbs Down).
Rand’s Whiteboard Friday video today was titled “The Microsite Mistake”, and he launched into a diatribe against the corporate use of microsites. Of course, Rand is a link-based marketer — and let me say up front that link-based marketing is not exactly the same thing as link-based search engine optimization.
Now, Rand has advocated link-based search engine optimization for years and I’ve openly criticized link-based SEO for being inefficient, relatively ineffectual, and highly overglamorized. It’s guys like Rand Fishkin who make it look so easy. He is creative, articulate, thoughtful, and he puts together a damn fine Web site that is going to earn links regardless of whether I approve of anything he says.
There are quite a few so-called “A List” SEO bloggers who eat Rand’s dust on an average morning when it comes to readership. And if you’ve ever sat through a sales and marketing motivational rah rah session where all the top performers are trucked out on stage to make everyone else feel like they are not working hard enough, you have probably suffered through at least one of those “If you want to make more money, just do whatever the guy with the most money does” speeches.
That philosophy only works for the guy with the most money. In any sales and marketing organization there can only be one top performer. Top performers typically have good connections (in many cases I’ve found that rookie top-performers brought great connections with them) and a mentor who steers them through the obstacles that everyone else has to navigate on their own.
The same principle holds true for search engine optimization, blogging, Web marketing, etc. Just because Rand Fishkin can build a lot of buzz doesn’t mean everyone can. Some people are better at driving race cars and some people at good enough to drive delivery trucks (which are two different skill sets). Race car drivers get all the glamor. You don’t see people lining up down the block, waiting to ask a veteran 18-wheel driver for his autograph because he’s gone 30 years without an accident. You’ll see people line up to get a rookie race car driver’s autograph if he walks away from a bad pileup.
So when someone like Rand Fishkin tells people, “It’s a mistake to create microsites — you’ll spread your link and domain diversity to the wrong sites”, that’s a serious message that gets a lot of distribution. It also happens to be a very bad message, a message based on the least efficient method of search engine optimization: link-based SEO.
How many links does it take to get a single Web page to rank for 100 expressions? A lot more links than most people will get in year, maybe even a lifetime. But that same Web page can rank for 100 expressions almost entirely on its own simply because of where it is hosted, what is on it, and how much emphasis and repetition goes into crafting the content. If you want 100 targeted visitors to your Web site, you’ll get them faster by writing lots of well-organized, optimized copy than by building links.
On a blog, your lag time for being indexed can be as little as a few seconds.
In a link building campaign, it WILL take days, weeks, and months to get all your links into place and passing value (and you still have to deal with the fact that most links DON’T PASS VALUE).
The microsite mistake that Rand talks about is a highly effective marketing methodology that has proven itself time and again for many hundreds of companies in the Fortune 1000 list. They don’t all use microsites but many of them do and they build huge brand value in those sites.
The real microsite mistake occurs when people take their microsites down and redirect them to some other site — passing all the so-called “link juice” to the mother site. Destroying search visibility is never a good strategy when it comes to search engine optimization.
For every link you can acquire through love, loyalty, or marketing you should be able to create 1,000 words of copy and those 1,000 words of copy will create more search visibility for you and bring you more traffic than that one link.
It takes less time and effort to write 1,000 words of copy than it does to obtain a value-passing link.
You have to ask: Why would people in the SEO community keep choosing a less efficient model for their search engine optimization? The answer is that when they read SEO blogs, and go to SEO conferences, and take SEO classes, they are inundated with reams of bad advice.
Rand has published a LOT of good tips on SEOmoz. His head-smacking tips are almost always great ideas (and they are not necessarily new or innovative ideas but Rand is in a better position to advocate these ideas than most other people). He has written some pretty cool in-depth articles discussing how he launched Web sites, and so forth.
But this whole Microsite Mistake thing is itself a mistake — not a mistake in marketing for SEOmoz and Rand, but a mistake in that it’s completely wrong. It’s terrible, bad advice.
Rand and other people might come back and say, “Yeah, well, we’ve helped clients who had microsites improve their search strategies by getting rid of the microsites”.
To which I must point out: If you have a client implementing ineffective SEO, than ANY effective SEO you implement for them will work better regardless of whether you get rid of the microsites. You have to understand that complex networks operate in the search environment differently from even large, complex Web sites. Rand just doesn’t seem to get that.
Given complete freedom of control, and sufficient resources, you can reoptimize any corporate search strategy to perform better without touching the microsites. The microsite brand strategy is in no way a mistake. The execution of the microsite brand strategy may be a mistake but it is a serious mistake to conclude that microsites hurt main corporate sites.
When you have a client whose microsite strategy doesn’t seem to be working, the right thing to do is to fix the microsite strategy, not do away with the microsites. People who arbitrarily decide that microsites are a mistake do not know enough about search engine optimization to be handling microsite-based campaigns.
There pretty solid principles behind microsite-based search engine optimization. It works, it works well, and it pays huge ROI when it is done right. Many marketing companies have understood this for years and they’ve been investing resources in successful microsite branding campaigns.
There is no mistake in creating microsites when you do it for the right reasons. But when you feel someone has made a so-called “microsite mistake”, think long and hard before you decide they can improve their search engine optimization by doing away with the microsites.
You can freeze the microsites where they are and just launch a new search engine optimization strategy for the main site.
When SEOs put too much emphasis on links and focus only on link-based search engine optimization, they ignore 80-90% of what they can and should be doing in their search engine optimization. Guys like Rand Fishkin have enough cache that they can walk into a concept and get the ball rolling. Most SEOs don’t have that name-value working for them.
Do you NEED links for search engine optimization? Yes. Absolutely. You just don’t need as many as you have been misled to believe you do. If you want to invest your resources in reaching out to social media markets (and Rand does work the social media circuit), it does require a very different strategy from search engine optimization. Social media marketing is more heavily dependent upon links than search engine optimization.
The real mistake people make is to confuse search engine optimization with social media marketing. Microsites are an extremely valuable, highly effective marketing tool and they should never be viewed as a mistake simply because someone produced a video called “The Microsite Mistake”.
Microsites not only work, they can amplify your SEO efforts beyond the power of any link-based strategy. But to achieve that kind of success you have to understand how to leverage microsites for search marketing (which may only be a minor or secondary priority in the overall marketing strategy).
When you are confronted with microsites, look at them as opportunities for expanding search visibility, because that is what they are. It’s a mistake to write off microsites.
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kinetic 01.23.09 at 1:08 pm
Im not a big fan of the SEOMOZ guys,because i usually don’t agree with them.They are too cocky too… i now understand this post…nobody bother to ask why you did not agree with them…sad.They don’t seem to be as open-minded as their boss.
sasa 01.23.09 at 3:57 pm
Two contrarian points. The truth clearly lies in between
There are cases when implementing a microsite is a huge mistake because you should have just put the site in a subfolder.
And there are cases when the ONLY WAY to get links to your hard core money making business site is to build a microsite (I call them satellites, too) which focuses on the theme of the site minus the commercial touch.
I call it: case-based SEO
So, what’s with all confrontational arguing? Wait, I got it, it’s called: Controversional Link Building, a link-based SEO strategy.
To call link-based SEO the “least efficient method of search engine optimization” without backing that up with proof or hard facts is nothing more than claiming microsites are (always) wrong. It’s all opinion-based expression of ideas, that are themselves based on experience, but not hard facts. That is what all SEO-advice is because to proof your opinion is right and not the one from the next guy is really, really hard in SEO. No matter what you OR Rand are saying, you still gotta find out what is right for your sites for yourself.
No matter where this is going, there will never be a satisfactory conclusion of this discussion.
PS: I do successfully use the satellite strategy for some of my own projects.
Michael Martinez 01.23.09 at 10:28 pm
sasa: “To call link-based SEO the “least efficient method of search engine optimization” without backing that up with proof or hard facts is nothing more than claiming microsites are (always) wrong.”
Michael: This is SEO Theory. Read it. You’ll find the “proof or hard facts” in numerous articles if you don’t mind the math.
This isn’t a matter where personal preference or philosophy makes a difference. I can achieve in one hour what it takes any link-based SEO several months to accomplish.
Rand Fishkin is one of those people who attracts links because he has a popular site. Most SEOs don’t have that kind of leverage. They don’t get those links so easily.
Popularity is an asset but not a methodology.
Darren Slatten 01.24.09 at 4:02 am
Michael,
Perhaps you should watch the video again. I understood its message to be something like this:
No extraneous links – don’t create non-commercial microsites to attract natural links and then try to forward that “link juice” to your commercial site. Instead, put the information on your commercial site and attract those links directly–without channeling them through an intermediary location.
In fact, the video itself is accompanied by a text summary of its message, written by either Scott or Rand:
Rand never “launched into a diatribe against the corporate use of microsites.” He simply pointed out one single mistake that a lot of companies make when using microsites. If you disagree with Rand’s point, then convince us why the opposite is true. Start a post with something like:
“Commercial sites should not try to acquire natural inbound links directly. Instead, they should host their useful content on microsites and then link those microsites to their commercial site.”
The sad truth is… you’re over here trying to argue against a point that no one is trying to make. It’s no wonder you’re such a strong supporter of content-based SEO–all you do is mass-produce words. Honestly, it’s really hard for anyone to take you seriously when you can’t even logically participate in an argument. I have been tempted to crush your “theories” on so many occasions, but ultimately I realize that everything you say is built on fallacies or is entirely meaningless. I just wish you’d actually have a valid point once in awhile so I’d have something to play with.
Michael Martinez 01.24.09 at 11:54 pm
Dareen, the sad truth is that neither your nor Rand understand enough about search engine optimization to make a successful case for what is really a stupid idea.
Did I watch the entire video? Of course I did — more than once.
Here are a few quotes from Rand’s presentation:
“And they’ll have that link back to their site and that blog or that microsite is earning a lot of their links that ideally they would want pointing to their own site.”
First problem: He’s making an unrealistic assumption about companies not seeking links for their main site, so he is creating a Straw Man to knock down. If you can only object to a Straw Man argument, you don’t have a point to make.
“These links are pointing in here, right? And they’re passing things like domain diversity from external linking sources and anchor text and trust and authority and all these great things and PageRank, stuff like that, right, link juice.”
Rand leads off with “domain diversity”, an expression that has mistakenly arisen from people’s experience with investing too much link building effort in only one or two types of links.
Then he follows with all the glamor SEO buzzwords: “trust, authority…PageRank…link juice”. The SEO community has made a huge mountain out of these molehills.
Next, he mentions “anchor text” — which tends to be almost solely the only way Rand thinks Web sites can rank competitively (I have never seen Rand try to show people how to rank without using links).
Next, he shores up the Straw Man: “…instead of having…five hundred different domains … providing lots of diversity and lots of value, Joe-w.com has one domain pointing at it….”
In fact, most domains would do just fine with one really good link as long as they don’t violate any guidelines with their other links.
Next, he reveals a classic misunderstanding about Google and PageRank: “I think that folks are sort of taking that original PageRank formula … and thinking it’s still 2001 … when PageRank was sort of dominating how Google ranked things on the Web.”
That was never the case. The BackRub paper clearly explained that Google was determining rankings on the basis of classic IR signals (emphasis through bold, italics, font size, etc.) and then adjusting those rankings through PageRank (which was described as a very small value). PageRank did not “dominate how Google ranked things on the Web”.
Then Rand goes on to say: “You need to be thinking about the diversity of people who are linking to you by getting not just one good anchor text link but many, many good anchor text links from lots of different domains, earning the trust and authority that all those domains can pass.”
There is absolutely no reason to approach search engine optimization this way. It’s inefficient, it’s very limiting, and it essentially sacrifices the majority of your potential traffic for the sake of a few expressions that you’ll obtain some ranking for in anchor text.
Rand’s recommendation that people “wipe out” all the content they have created on microsites and redirect the links is just completely stupid. The return on investment is so deeply negative there is no way to justify this kind of strategy.
Most Web sites obtain more than 95% of their traffic from unoptimized expressions. And most Web sites need relatively few links in order to achieve successful converting rankings.
Hence, companies that successfully optimize microsites that link back to the mother site, and then populate the mother site with actual indexable content as well, are following the best strategy.
It’s just not cost-effective to try to optimize for search through links. You cannot fake enough links, buy enough links, build enough links, or earn enough links to draw as much traffic as you’ll obtain by just producing content. It’s mathematically impossible to outperform content in search through links.
devdotcom 01.25.09 at 2:33 pm
I think Darren made some great points. I mean, Michael calls out people a lot and claims what “he could do” but never really explains it. At least Rand gives concrete examples of what he is talking about.
SEOmoz contributes alot to the SEO community with their articles and videos. They were the 1st ones to point out the danger of Keyword Cannibalization. I don’t understand why Michael always takes cheap shots. Maybe if Mr. Martinez backed up his “big talk” he wouldn’t seem like a hater so much.
Really it comes down to people who know SEO and share their wisdom, and people who claim to know SEO magic.
Personally, the most credible name in SEO is Hamlet Batista — that guy knows his stuff and provides real world examples (unfortunately his blog, http://hamletbatista.com, has not been updated in a while because he’s working on his software). I’d definitely put Rand in the Top 5 along with Leslie Rhode. If you really want good SEO advice and tips, these are the guys to follow.
Michael Martinez 01.25.09 at 7:47 pm
devdotcom: “…Michael calls out people a lot and claims what “he could do” but never really explains it.”
Michael: That seems like a fair criticism to more people than you, but I have consistently used the SEO Theory blog posts to demonstrate the power, efficiency, and flexibility of content-based SEO for over two years.
So, yes, I HAVE actually provided many clear and undisputed examples of how to do this.
Not everyone has seen that, but the articles aren’t going away.
devdotcom 01.25.09 at 9:57 pm
By examples, I mean the name of a site that you have actually SEO’d. I think it would be really interesting to analyze one of your sites and really see how good it is — and see if you practice what you preach.
I have quite a bit of useful information on this blog, BUT your writing tends to be cryptic.
And finally, it seems like you do attack SEOmoz on a regular basis. Everybody makes mistakes, no need to drag them through the mud all the time.
olmei 01.25.09 at 10:50 pm
Rough Day at The Office Michael …WOW!
You know, at least the SEOmoz fans above aren’t locked into paying you $80.00 a month for twelve months to read, print and test your ideas.
[INFLAMMATORY COMMENT EDITED BY MICHAEL]
And before tonight’s shift of SEOmoz defenders starts attacking me, AS a paying SEOmoz subscriber, my singular question to them was answered with AT LEAST as vague of specificity as the De-Tracton’s above claim about SEO-Theory. I just had to PAY for it.
Michael Martinez 01.25.09 at 11:10 pm
devdotcom: “By examples, I mean the name of a site that you have actually SEO’d. I think it would be really interesting to analyze one of your sites and really see how good it is — and see if you practice what you preach.”
Michael: SEO Theory. However, I’ve also occasionally mentioned my own personal sites Xenite.Org and SF-Fandom.com. Or you can check out my “personal” personal site michael-martinez.com (which ranks first for my name, although by now it has attracted so many links for my name that it could probably be said with reasonable certainty that the links have more impact than the on-page optimization).
I am not permitted to discuss client sites because of our astoundingly strict non-disclosure clauses.
devdotcom: “And finally, it seems like you do attack SEOmoz on a regular basis. Everybody makes mistakes, no need to drag them through the mud all the time.”
Michael: I have an immense amount of respect for what Rand Fishkin has accomplished. I feel he is one of the top ten marketers on the Internet — I hold him in esteem next to Seth Godin and well above all the other “A list” SEO bloggers (except maybe Mike Grehan). But I don’t agree with everything he shares about search engine optimization theory.
So I have never bashed Rand Fishkin, despite what some people think they saw me do. But I have dissected some of his ideas.
For that I get flamed by a couple of SEOmoz community members. And tonight I did unload on the way that community behaves whenever they start a flame crusade against me (in a comment on SEOmoz).
The childish, unprofessional behavior that occasionally flares up across the Internet is really not called for in this field — we can all learn from each other. I always hope we can learn something more useful than who not to link to.
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