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	<title>Comments on: SEO Nonsense &#8211; Sculpting PageRank Builds Muscle</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Martinez</title>
		<link>http://www.seo-theory.com/2007/11/26/seo-nonsense-sculpting-pagerank-builds-muscle/comment-page-1/#comment-450</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Craig&lt;/strong&gt;: &quot;The point is that you state that PR sculpting is a myth.&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;Michael&lt;/strong&gt;: Sasquatch and the Chupacabra are both myths but there are people who claim to have seen both.  Until we have clear scientific evidence of their existence, we can only say that it&#039;s possible such creatures have existed and perhaps may exist in some remote corner of the wilderness.

As far as PageRank sculpting goes, &lt;em&gt;no one is actually capable of doing it&lt;/em&gt; so it&#039;s not a viable optimization strategy.  Until it becomes a viable optimization strategy, anyone who advocates sculpting PageRank is giving out bad, unusable advice.

And as Rand Fishkin demonstrated, you&#039;re more likely to hurt yourself than to do nothing at all so the risks are not acceptable.

Show me someone who actually sculpts PageRank and I&#039;ll be glad to look at what they&#039;ve done.   I&#039;m as interested in learning from others as I&#039;ve always been, but I&#039;m not buying the B.S. that is being peddled by a couple of people out there.

Anyone is welcome to put up or shut up on this topic as far as I&#039;m concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Craig</strong>: &#8220;The point is that you state that PR sculpting is a myth.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Michael</strong>: Sasquatch and the Chupacabra are both myths but there are people who claim to have seen both.  Until we have clear scientific evidence of their existence, we can only say that it&#8217;s possible such creatures have existed and perhaps may exist in some remote corner of the wilderness.</p>
<p>As far as PageRank sculpting goes, <em>no one is actually capable of doing it</em> so it&#8217;s not a viable optimization strategy.  Until it becomes a viable optimization strategy, anyone who advocates sculpting PageRank is giving out bad, unusable advice.</p>
<p>And as Rand Fishkin demonstrated, you&#8217;re more likely to hurt yourself than to do nothing at all so the risks are not acceptable.</p>
<p>Show me someone who actually sculpts PageRank and I&#8217;ll be glad to look at what they&#8217;ve done.   I&#8217;m as interested in learning from others as I&#8217;ve always been, but I&#8217;m not buying the B.S. that is being peddled by a couple of people out there.</p>
<p>Anyone is welcome to put up or shut up on this topic as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.seo-theory.com/2007/11/26/seo-nonsense-sculpting-pagerank-builds-muscle/comment-page-1/#comment-449</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
The point is that you state that PR sculpting is a myth.  Statements by Matt Cutts reveal that it is not a myth, but in fact possible.  The science of best practices may be unproven and unmeasurable from the Google PR indicator within the search bar, but the ability to channel PR is indeed posssible.  You&#039;re correct about not being able to precisely measure results, but your comment that this is nonsense is...nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
The point is that you state that PR sculpting is a myth.  Statements by Matt Cutts reveal that it is not a myth, but in fact possible.  The science of best practices may be unproven and unmeasurable from the Google PR indicator within the search bar, but the ability to channel PR is indeed posssible.  You&#8217;re correct about not being able to precisely measure results, but your comment that this is nonsense is&#8230;nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus.DeMaaijer</title>
		<link>http://www.seo-theory.com/2007/11/26/seo-nonsense-sculpting-pagerank-builds-muscle/comment-page-1/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus.DeMaaijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;nofollow&quot; technique should always ONLY be used to block traffic to password protected pages and to prevent bandwidth drain by shielding website content against &quot;slurp&quot; robots in the robots.txt document. Optimizing a percentage of your website so that these pages get admitted to the search engine&#039;s main index is in my opinion an uphill battle and not worth the time, braindrain and headaches you are required to invest. 

A far better technique is handcoding individual txt documents for each specific robot and placing them in your root folder. This technique is a welcome mat for SE robots and other similar crawlers that in my experience will guarantee a much higher overall page rank than the tips in this post by Michael Martinez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;nofollow&#8221; technique should always ONLY be used to block traffic to password protected pages and to prevent bandwidth drain by shielding website content against &#8220;slurp&#8221; robots in the robots.txt document. Optimizing a percentage of your website so that these pages get admitted to the search engine&#8217;s main index is in my opinion an uphill battle and not worth the time, braindrain and headaches you are required to invest. </p>
<p>A far better technique is handcoding individual txt documents for each specific robot and placing them in your root folder. This technique is a welcome mat for SE robots and other similar crawlers that in my experience will guarantee a much higher overall page rank than the tips in this post by Michael Martinez.</p>
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		<title>By: Lea de Groot</title>
		<link>http://www.seo-theory.com/2007/11/26/seo-nonsense-sculpting-pagerank-builds-muscle/comment-page-1/#comment-445</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea de Groot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking Matt&#039;s descriptions of what you can do should not be taken as advice on what you should do.
He doesn&#039;t spend his time figuring out how to push things up the rankings, quite the reverse.
Want some more to think about?
When Google eventually commented on the Sandbox, the comment was that it was probably an unintentional side effect of other factors of the algorithm.
So they aren&#039;t in total control of the algorithm (not really surprising, it must be complex enough to be chaotic in nature), and some effects of it are only discovered afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking Matt&#8217;s descriptions of what you can do should not be taken as advice on what you should do.<br />
He doesn&#8217;t spend his time figuring out how to push things up the rankings, quite the reverse.<br />
Want some more to think about?<br />
When Google eventually commented on the Sandbox, the comment was that it was probably an unintentional side effect of other factors of the algorithm.<br />
So they aren&#8217;t in total control of the algorithm (not really surprising, it must be complex enough to be chaotic in nature), and some effects of it are only discovered afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martinez</title>
		<link>http://www.seo-theory.com/2007/11/26/seo-nonsense-sculpting-pagerank-builds-muscle/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Craig&lt;/strong&gt;: &quot;What do you think about this quote by Matt Cutts?&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;Michael&lt;/strong&gt;: I think Matt is clearly encouraging the SEO community to play with PageRank sculpting, knowing fully well they can&#039;t do it properly.

But what do you think of Matt&#039;s followup to Rand on SEOmoz itself, where Rand went way over the top with his interpretation of Matt&#039;s interview answers?

What do you think of Rand&#039;s own admissions that he screwed up the indexing of more than one site when he tried to implement his own advice?

What do you think of the idea of people not just saying, &quot;Hey! Wow! Great post!&quot; but instead actually TESTING the ideas that are thrown out on SEO blogs before saying anything?

Stopping to test could keep a lot of people from making embarrassing remarks and commitments to clients and employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Craig</strong>: &#8220;What do you think about this quote by Matt Cutts?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Michael</strong>: I think Matt is clearly encouraging the SEO community to play with PageRank sculpting, knowing fully well they can&#8217;t do it properly.</p>
<p>But what do you think of Matt&#8217;s followup to Rand on SEOmoz itself, where Rand went way over the top with his interpretation of Matt&#8217;s interview answers?</p>
<p>What do you think of Rand&#8217;s own admissions that he screwed up the indexing of more than one site when he tried to implement his own advice?</p>
<p>What do you think of the idea of people not just saying, &#8220;Hey! Wow! Great post!&#8221; but instead actually TESTING the ideas that are thrown out on SEO blogs before saying anything?</p>
<p>Stopping to test could keep a lot of people from making embarrassing remarks and commitments to clients and employers.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.seo-theory.com/2007/11/26/seo-nonsense-sculpting-pagerank-builds-muscle/comment-page-1/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An SEO Myth?  What do you think about this quote by Matt Cutts?

&quot;We did an interview with Rand Fishkin over at SEOmoz where we talked about the fact that NoFollow was a perfectly acceptable tool to use in addition to robots.txt. NoIndex and NoFollow as a metatag can change how Googlebot crawls your site. It&#039;s important to realize that typically these things are more of a second order effect. What matters the most is to have a great site and to make sure that people know about it, but, once you have a certain amount of PageRank, these tools let you choose how to develop PageRank amongst your pages.&quot;
http://www.stonetemple.com/articles/interview-matt-cutts.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An SEO Myth?  What do you think about this quote by Matt Cutts?</p>
<p>&#8220;We did an interview with Rand Fishkin over at SEOmoz where we talked about the fact that NoFollow was a perfectly acceptable tool to use in addition to robots.txt. NoIndex and NoFollow as a metatag can change how Googlebot crawls your site. It&#8217;s important to realize that typically these things are more of a second order effect. What matters the most is to have a great site and to make sure that people know about it, but, once you have a certain amount of PageRank, these tools let you choose how to develop PageRank amongst your pages.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.stonetemple.com/articles/interview-matt-cutts.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.stonetemple.com/articles/interview-matt-cutts.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.seo-theory.com/2007/11/26/seo-nonsense-sculpting-pagerank-builds-muscle/comment-page-1/#comment-435</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Lot&#039;s of misinformation out there.

I&#039;ve found that in some cases nofollow is a great way to manage pr flow when you&#039;re dealing with a client site that can&#039;t or won&#039;t be modified to manage the flow without nofollow. For example, a client site that links to search results in it&#039;s navigation and due to a CMS being used, can&#039;t easily be changed. In a case like that, using nofollow, while not a perfect solution, is better than doing nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Lot&#8217;s of misinformation out there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that in some cases nofollow is a great way to manage pr flow when you&#8217;re dealing with a client site that can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t be modified to manage the flow without nofollow. For example, a client site that links to search results in it&#8217;s navigation and due to a CMS being used, can&#8217;t easily be changed. In a case like that, using nofollow, while not a perfect solution, is better than doing nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamlet Batista</title>
		<link>http://www.seo-theory.com/2007/11/26/seo-nonsense-sculpting-pagerank-builds-muscle/comment-page-1/#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamlet Batista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Michael.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But PageRank flow is not what people in the SEO community are thinking about. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I see your point and I have to take your word for it. You know the people in the SEO community a lot more than I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Michael.</p>
<blockquote><p>But PageRank flow is not what people in the SEO community are thinking about. </p></blockquote>
<p>I see your point and I have to take your word for it. You know the people in the SEO community a lot more than I do.</p>
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